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there is a shorthand used with the nra. americans to support second amendment rights do so because the nra tells them to. the nra is interested in building their membership. they are not dictating thought to people. people care about their guns. there is a component that goes on between the nra and lawmakers. that relationship is more nuanced than is often portrayed. i would think the nra would push back on any attempt to renew an assault weapons ban. they have been more silent on the background check. >> thank you both for your questions and being with us on "newsmakers" today. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2013] clacks why did you write a book about your experience? >> it was an important point in history. i thought like the perspective should be brought. i thought it was not completely accurate, about in terms of what i did and what we did. i thought it was important for the historical effort to put that in perspective. also, i think for people
there is a shorthand used with the nra. americans to support second amendment rights do so because the nra tells them to. the nra is interested in building their membership. they are not dictating thought to people. people care about their guns. there is a component that goes on between the nra and lawmakers. that relationship is more nuanced than is often portrayed. i would think the nra would push back on any attempt to renew an assault weapons ban. they have been more silent on the...
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sportsmen's organizations, hunters, gun owners, the nra. representatives of the video game and movie industries, educators, retailers, and public health officials. and as i said, i spoke to many of you in this room as well, along with the governors and the county executives. no group was more consequential and instrumental in shaping of the document we put together that all of you in this room. those conversations, after literally hundreds of hours of work and research done by experts at the justice department and department of homeland security and elsewhere, after hearing just about every idea that had been written up only to gather dust on the shelf of some agency in government, a set of principles emerge that there was not universal agreement on, but overwhelming consensus on. they were the foundation of the recommendations. if you will permit me another 10-12 minutes, i want to lay out to you what they are from the perspective of the president the first foundational principles is there is a second amendment. -- from the perspective of
sportsmen's organizations, hunters, gun owners, the nra. representatives of the video game and movie industries, educators, retailers, and public health officials. and as i said, i spoke to many of you in this room as well, along with the governors and the county executives. no group was more consequential and instrumental in shaping of the document we put together that all of you in this room. those conversations, after literally hundreds of hours of work and research done by experts at the...
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i bring up the nra. they spent over $20 million in the last decade on lobbying people that you have to deal with on a daily basis, our lawmakers. if the lawmakers that you are kmu behind the scenes are are taking queues from the nra, what will make the american people believe if the ground is moving these two sides together? >> the nra has it 180 degrees wrong. we are not going to harm the needs and the aspirations of the legitimate gun owner. we are not going to do that at all. unlike what they are suggesting, we are going to protect the children of america. they have it 180 degrees from the truth. we are not going to affect -- >> which do you think will pass. i know you said a 50-50 chance that an assault weapons ban will be put in place. what do you believe will passing through congress? >> i think magazines and assault weapons will pass. i think background checks will pass. i think there will be more resources for people. i think we will address mental health. what we will do is do this in a comprehe
i bring up the nra. they spent over $20 million in the last decade on lobbying people that you have to deal with on a daily basis, our lawmakers. if the lawmakers that you are kmu behind the scenes are are taking queues from the nra, what will make the american people believe if the ground is moving these two sides together? >> the nra has it 180 degrees wrong. we are not going to harm the needs and the aspirations of the legitimate gun owner. we are not going to do that at all. unlike...
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i did not think the nra ad was a smart move. i thought that the substantive case then made was virtually indisputable. it is the case that there is a double standard. we can debate whether the president deserves to have a double standard, particularly with respect to the secret service. but having said that, the ad in my view may president obama a sympathetic figure in the one way that they did not want to make a sympathetic. lou: you can argue that they could have done a better -- you can argue lots of things, but the fact that they point out very specifically that there is a double standard. the nra was not saying that he did not deserve nor his children deserve that extra protection. we all know that they do. the point is, so does every american and they're children. every one of those young lives is precious to all of us. thank you for being with us. thank you. up next, it has been one year since the president's jobs council hazmat. it has been a year since the president's jobs council hazmat. 23 million folks still without
i did not think the nra ad was a smart move. i thought that the substantive case then made was virtually indisputable. it is the case that there is a double standard. we can debate whether the president deserves to have a double standard, particularly with respect to the secret service. but having said that, the ad in my view may president obama a sympathetic figure in the one way that they did not want to make a sympathetic. lou: you can argue that they could have done a better -- you can...
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if that's what the majority of nra members believe, do you think the nra leadership and yourself, sir, would get behind regulations like that? >> well, let me tell you what our organization -- our take on the gun show issue. we see a very important distinction between a private sale or transfer. when i sell a gun and i have, to four kinds of individuals and i'm not a dealer. i've sold guns to my friends to my family, to my coworkers or to my neighbors. not a lot but over the years here or there. i know who i sold the gun to. if i'm at a gun show, i'm basically in the same position a retail firearms dealer is in. i don't have a clue who's coming over to my table and we support background checks for the transfer of firearms at gun shows because you don't know who you're selling the gun to. >> john: i applaud you for that sir. gang members sell guns to their friends as well. you can't sell a car to a friend without letting the government know you've done it. do you think it should be seizier to sell an automatic weapon to an acquaintance than a vehicle? >> well, talk about a loaded quest
if that's what the majority of nra members believe, do you think the nra leadership and yourself, sir, would get behind regulations like that? >> well, let me tell you what our organization -- our take on the gun show issue. we see a very important distinction between a private sale or transfer. when i sell a gun and i have, to four kinds of individuals and i'm not a dealer. i've sold guns to my friends to my family, to my coworkers or to my neighbors. not a lot but over the years here or...
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he's way, way to the right of the nra. >> the political power the nra now wield means that politicians are too coward to say anything. i have people say to me, you're so brave. hot is brave about wanting to stop 20 more children getting murders? >> i don't think it's the nra power. it's people like us, not the two of us, but americans who care about guns aren't doing enough to make our case to the public. >> why not? >> because we think it's their issue. we have given that issue over to them because they have lobbyists they pay money. in the end, the people determine the outcome. and it's wrong, and it's racist and it's bigoted to say that guns are quintessentially american. they may represent a part of america, but my grandparents who came over from poland and live in brooklyn, new york, are just as much americans, people who came over from ireland, people who came over from italy, we're just as much americans. we live on the coast and we have a right to define the america we want to live in and we have the obligation to win politically, to vote for people to put gun control as a high
he's way, way to the right of the nra. >> the political power the nra now wield means that politicians are too coward to say anything. i have people say to me, you're so brave. hot is brave about wanting to stop 20 more children getting murders? >> i don't think it's the nra power. it's people like us, not the two of us, but americans who care about guns aren't doing enough to make our case to the public. >> why not? >> because we think it's their issue. we have given...
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side-by-side of this meeting with the nra leadership, we're having many nra members and gun owners greater capacity coming to us and saying the nra doesn't represent me. they saw that press conference right after the shooting in newtown, and said this is not what we think should be done in this country. we're having so many people come to us and saying we support you. background checks makes sense. that's not going to stop me fre owning a gun. the realities of what people like alex jones scream about on tv couldn't really be further from the truth of what we're actually discussing with the administration and people on capitol hill and the average american citizen who is calling on us to make sure something gets done. >> the average american says -- and i want to open this up to our foulkes in new york -- the average voice the americans is something that's often lost. as someone who has serveed in iraq and owned and held guns, you have experience in the military. there is a culture in america around guns that is actually very, very different from what happens in the military, but it's sort
side-by-side of this meeting with the nra leadership, we're having many nra members and gun owners greater capacity coming to us and saying the nra doesn't represent me. they saw that press conference right after the shooting in newtown, and said this is not what we think should be done in this country. we're having so many people come to us and saying we support you. background checks makes sense. that's not going to stop me fre owning a gun. the realities of what people like alex jones scream...
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the nra chief lobbyist reacting to the president's speech. and in the rewrite tonight, why conservatives who have been wrong about everything, and i do mean everything, could not understand president obama's inaugural address. [ man ] i've been out there most of my life. you name it...i've hooked it. but there's one... one that's always eluded me. thought i had it in the blizzard of '93. ha! never even came close. sometimes, i actually think it's mocking me. [ engine revs ] what?! quattro!!!!! ♪ how did i know? well, i didn't really. see, i figured low testosterone would decrease my sex drive... but when i started losing energy and became moody... that's when i had an honest conversation with my doctor. we discussed all the symptoms... then he gave me some blood tests. showed it was low t. that's it. it was a number -- not just me. [ male announcer ] today, men with low t have androgel 1.62% (testosterone gel). the #1 prescribed topical testosterone replacement therapy, increases testosterone when used daily. women and children should avoid
the nra chief lobbyist reacting to the president's speech. and in the rewrite tonight, why conservatives who have been wrong about everything, and i do mean everything, could not understand president obama's inaugural address. [ man ] i've been out there most of my life. you name it...i've hooked it. but there's one... one that's always eluded me. thought i had it in the blizzard of '93. ha! never even came close. sometimes, i actually think it's mocking me. [ engine revs ] what?! quattro!!!!!...
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, join the nra. so they are doing what the nra always has done, and that is drawing a very hard and firm line in the sand, very black and white terms. no shades of gray here and no budging on what they fundamentally believe is a threat to the second -- their second amendment rights. and they are, of course, going to be on the hill lobbying democrats, lobbying republicans. so far, you haven't seen any republicans break ranks with the nra. and we'll have to keep an eye on senate democrats. >> and, in fact, marco rubio, chuck, has put out a statement saying that nothing the president is proposing would have stopped the massacre at sandy hook. president obama is targeting the rights of law-abiding citizens instead of what caused the violence. that is a very strong response from someone who's talked about as a 2016 potential candidate. >> and he also accused the president of abusing his executive power in the 23 actions. when you read the 23 actions, frankly, these are very weak directives. there's not mu
, join the nra. so they are doing what the nra always has done, and that is drawing a very hard and firm line in the sand, very black and white terms. no shades of gray here and no budging on what they fundamentally believe is a threat to the second -- their second amendment rights. and they are, of course, going to be on the hill lobbying democrats, lobbying republicans. so far, you haven't seen any republicans break ranks with the nra. and we'll have to keep an eye on senate democrats....
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and i don't think it's too surprising nra still opposed to any form of gun control. i actually thought that wayne lapierre's testimony which i have also seen is interesting because he seemed to back off some of the more incendiary rhetoric of other forums, most notably, the initial press conference lashing out at the left and the media and everybody else and peek like the hecklers in the hearing and don't speak for the republican party and don't speak for the nra but it's sort of a piece with the strategy that the nra has where they're not talking to the broad majority of people and not talking to people who are in the middle on this issue but only a narrow angry base and the more they do that, the more they risk marginalizing themselves in this discussion. >> you say it shouldn't be a surprise that the nra not support an assault weapons ban and what was seen as the least controversial aspect of this debate has been a universal background check looking at the polling even folk who is are members of the nra and who republicans seem to support that idea. wayne lapierre
and i don't think it's too surprising nra still opposed to any form of gun control. i actually thought that wayne lapierre's testimony which i have also seen is interesting because he seemed to back off some of the more incendiary rhetoric of other forums, most notably, the initial press conference lashing out at the left and the media and everybody else and peek like the hecklers in the hearing and don't speak for the republican party and don't speak for the nra but it's sort of a piece with...
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a very proud member of the nra. with an "a" rating, said it's time for us and the nra to look at ourselves and make shchanome changes. a lot of people thought that might open up a larger discussion. that hasn't necessarily happened. we haven't seen a lot of people line up behind joe manchin to look at the nra and say hey, we need to moderate ourselves or we need to be at least open to some change. so do you think at this moment that this time is different, or has the moment passed in some ways? >> you know, i think we are living in a time when there is slightly a culture of instant amnesia where -- and maybe it's to do with the amount of media we have access to. it's like we gorge ourselves on a story, and then after a few days, it's gone. and that happens, unfortunately, at a policy level but also from a viewer level. and so the urgency seems so intense at the time. and it certainly did -- i was up in newtown for four days at the time, and it seemed like the whole country was focused on this. you had not just manch
a very proud member of the nra. with an "a" rating, said it's time for us and the nra to look at ourselves and make shchanome changes. a lot of people thought that might open up a larger discussion. that hasn't necessarily happened. we haven't seen a lot of people line up behind joe manchin to look at the nra and say hey, we need to moderate ourselves or we need to be at least open to some change. so do you think at this moment that this time is different, or has the moment passed in...
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the nra's wayne lapiera pfepier we're out of time. we're going to keep this conversation up for months. you have had the experience of knowing how important it is. gabby giffords, husband mark kelly. >> and that's the difference other victims are now speaking up, and to see gaggy yesterday and her husband by her side talking about this, these were strong nra supporters and yet they see what can be done. >> i think -- >> 20 dead first graders -- >> go ahead, ron. jifs going to say in closing, 20 dead first graders has a way of concentrating the mind. >> right. >> it's a serious conversation. it's an american conversation. thank you, congresswoman carolyn mccarthy of new york and ron reagan. >>> we have one more note about the epidemic of gun violence in this country. yesterday we told you about 15-year-oldh adia pendleton of chicago who was fate ideally shot in what may have been a gang turf war. after having performed in washington with her high school band for the inaugural music festival, it all happened since then, we learned in 20
the nra's wayne lapiera pfepier we're out of time. we're going to keep this conversation up for months. you have had the experience of knowing how important it is. gabby giffords, husband mark kelly. >> and that's the difference other victims are now speaking up, and to see gaggy yesterday and her husband by her side talking about this, these were strong nra supporters and yet they see what can be done. >> i think -- >> 20 dead first graders -- >> go ahead, ron. jifs...
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the nra has opposed background checks for sales at gun shows. the nra and other elements of the gun lobby are the groups that have kept the federal government from having a comprehensive database on gun owners. they have even stopped the cdc from doing research on gun violence. that's how far they've moved, and i think there's another element of this we have to discuss, chris. i would be remiss if i didn't point out that it's no coincidence that some of this crazy, over the top paranoia started with the election of a black president. >> how so? connect. >> let's remember that in 2008 obama had campaigned for his first election being afraid to mention the words gun and law in the same paragraph. he never said a single thing about gun control, gun safety laws. yet when he was elected, gun stores sold out of guns. gun stores sold out of ammunition because the gun lobby had persuaded them that this guy is coming for your guns. they're already paranoid, extremist -- >> let's get to that overlay. >> they don't like progressive, democratic administrati
the nra has opposed background checks for sales at gun shows. the nra and other elements of the gun lobby are the groups that have kept the federal government from having a comprehensive database on gun owners. they have even stopped the cdc from doing research on gun violence. that's how far they've moved, and i think there's another element of this we have to discuss, chris. i would be remiss if i didn't point out that it's no coincidence that some of this crazy, over the top paranoia started...
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that's what nra stands for. and they're not really engaged in a serious discussion about what's going on in the streets of america each and every day. and whether it's new town or aurora or philadelphia big city, small city, in the city, in the suburbs, in rural areas, these are serious matters. and we have to be serious about them. >> since you said they're not really as constitute, let me show you some that are being extreme as you've talked about common sense and reasonably coming to common ground. rocker ted nugent compared gun owners to rosa parks. he told the web site "world net daily," quote, there will come a time when the gun owners of america, the law-abiding gun owners of america will be the rosa parks and we will sit down on the front seat of the bus. case closed. i wonder if he's off his rocker, pun intended. >>> but then you have yesterday, the judge report showed pictures of hitler and stalin next to a link on the white house considering executive action on gun control. i mean, these are, like, wa
that's what nra stands for. and they're not really engaged in a serious discussion about what's going on in the streets of america each and every day. and whether it's new town or aurora or philadelphia big city, small city, in the city, in the suburbs, in rural areas, these are serious matters. and we have to be serious about them. >> since you said they're not really as constitute, let me show you some that are being extreme as you've talked about common sense and reasonably coming to...
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now the nra likely to oppose those. they have already said in response to new york's law that tougher laws do not reduce crime or produce safety. in addition to the laws regarding background checks, the president's also expected to talk about mental health and video games as part of this comprehensive package he'll announce later this morning. >> tracie potts, thanks so much. >>> in the face of gun control reform, the nra is fighting back. a new web ad on the stand and fight website calls the president "an elitist hypocrite." here's the whole thing. take a look. >> are the president's kids more important than yours? then why is he skeptical about putting armed security in our schools when his kids are protected by armed guards at their school? he is just another elite it hypocrite when it comes to a fair share of security. protection for their kids and gun free zones for ours. >> so what do you think of this ad? we want to know. tweet us @first lookmsnbc. >>> chuck hagel may be getting closer to win confirmation of secr
now the nra likely to oppose those. they have already said in response to new york's law that tougher laws do not reduce crime or produce safety. in addition to the laws regarding background checks, the president's also expected to talk about mental health and video games as part of this comprehensive package he'll announce later this morning. >> tracie potts, thanks so much. >>> in the face of gun control reform, the nra is fighting back. a new web ad on the stand and fight...
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now they're more concerned about the threats from the nra. if they vote for common sense gun violence prevention laws they might face a challenger which might mean they get voted out of office and they no longer have the free health care and free travel. this is truth is stranger than fiction. it's a public health crisis in this country and they're saying that the debt ceiling is more important than 87 dead americans a day including 3,000 americans every month. that's the equivalent of a 9/11 every month. and these cowards in congress can't put public safety in front of self preservation of their own office? >> you know, it's interesting this group today called sandy hook promise, some of the victims' families and survivors and first responders had their press conference this morning and want to be included in the conversation on gun control legislation but even, john, in that community the most recent for us to witness something of this level of mass killings, there's a divide on even what to do next. and they are if you're going to continue
now they're more concerned about the threats from the nra. if they vote for common sense gun violence prevention laws they might face a challenger which might mean they get voted out of office and they no longer have the free health care and free travel. this is truth is stranger than fiction. it's a public health crisis in this country and they're saying that the debt ceiling is more important than 87 dead americans a day including 3,000 americans every month. that's the equivalent of a 9/11...
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and for the nra to drag them into this and compare their secret service protection to what the nra says we should have in schools is the most ugly and profoundly stupidest thing i have heard the nra say. >> yeah, it is amazing, somebody tweeted tonight, you realize we're losing this debate because of things like that. the reason we have such strict protection for the president's families, is unfortunately we had too many times in our history, people assassinating presidents in our country. after president kennedy was killed after somebody who had ordered a gun through the mail. and martin luther king jr., by somebody who got their gun the same way. in 1968, in terms of robert f. kennedy being killed, we passed the 1968 gun control act, which up to that point was the strictest gun control we had had. one thing it did was restrict getting it through the mail. when they say things like you have to protect guns in your home against somebody mentally ill, that is an incentive to do the sane and obvious thing, and restrictions on gun dealers, not to sell ammunition over the internet, the way
and for the nra to drag them into this and compare their secret service protection to what the nra says we should have in schools is the most ugly and profoundly stupidest thing i have heard the nra say. >> yeah, it is amazing, somebody tweeted tonight, you realize we're losing this debate because of things like that. the reason we have such strict protection for the president's families, is unfortunately we had too many times in our history, people assassinating presidents in our...
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. >> his office sent it to the nra? then less than a month after the oklahoma city bombing, on a day that had been proclaimed a national day of mourning for police killed in the line of duty, less than a month after the oklahoma city bombing, the nra took out a national newspaper ad defending a fund-raising letter that they had just sent which called federal law enforcement personnel jackbooted thugs. this is less than a month after the oklahoma city bombing. president george h.w. bush resigned his life membership in the nra in protest. ultimately, even after they first defended it, the nra was forced to apologize for the "jackbooted thugs" thing. and ultimately, old steve stockman did get voted out of office in texas in 1996. he'd only served one term in the house. but you know what happened to steve stockman in the long run? in this past election in 2012, the one we just had, steve stockman got voted back into office. texas decided to send him back. and then yeah, he was the guy who even before president obama said wh
. >> his office sent it to the nra? then less than a month after the oklahoma city bombing, on a day that had been proclaimed a national day of mourning for police killed in the line of duty, less than a month after the oklahoma city bombing, the nra took out a national newspaper ad defending a fund-raising letter that they had just sent which called federal law enforcement personnel jackbooted thugs. this is less than a month after the oklahoma city bombing. president george h.w. bush...
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show moderation you get your nra badge ripped off you. agree to any rule on gun safety and you're marked as a traitor for life. today some of the top people in the republican party, the people to watch, marco rubio, rand paul, ted cruz are right out there front in opposing president obama on gun safety. so what happened? why is the gop, the party of guns over people? our guests are congresswoman carolyn mccarthy, a democrat of new york, and cynthia tucker, a pulitzer prize winning columnist. thank you both for joining us. you have been in this fight for so long, congresswoman mccarthy. i have to ask you, is there something out there in the water that's changed or are we confronting the old power of the nra? >> well, certainly we are confronting them. we'll always be able to confront them, but this time is different, and i think that the american people are realizing on how radical they actually are. you know, when you see the polls in most people in america support on what we're trying to do, even nra members, so that this time is differe
show moderation you get your nra badge ripped off you. agree to any rule on gun safety and you're marked as a traitor for life. today some of the top people in the republican party, the people to watch, marco rubio, rand paul, ted cruz are right out there front in opposing president obama on gun safety. so what happened? why is the gop, the party of guns over people? our guests are congresswoman carolyn mccarthy, a democrat of new york, and cynthia tucker, a pulitzer prize winning columnist....
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as i mentioned, you know, congress is controlled by the nra. the nra is all about selling guns. federal gun policy is about unrestricted access to guns. tie law enforcement's hands. have more mass shootings, more high profile mass shootings. more fear. more gun sales. more profits. >> but specifically, this gun appreciation day that will take place two days before the inauguration. >> it's all about selling more guns. and intimidating members of congress and the president to not do anything. mitch mcconnell laid it out nice and clearly. the fact that 3,000 americans die every day, 3,000 every month and 600 since newtown, and he's saying that's not an emergency? 87 dead americans every day and the fiscal cliff or debt ceiling is more important than 87 families burying their children and family members every day? that is immoral. and the nra is immoral. and let's face it. the gun industry controls congress and until the people take back their congress, it's going to be more massacres, more gun sales, more money back to the nra supporters in congress. >> let's get in you on this, m
as i mentioned, you know, congress is controlled by the nra. the nra is all about selling guns. federal gun policy is about unrestricted access to guns. tie law enforcement's hands. have more mass shootings, more high profile mass shootings. more fear. more gun sales. more profits. >> but specifically, this gun appreciation day that will take place two days before the inauguration. >> it's all about selling more guns. and intimidating members of congress and the president to not do...
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so, at this point, the nra, even the nra leadership is out of step with its own leadership and out of step with the majority of americans and there was a difference, i think it's important to say, there's a dichbs between the protection of rights and the protection of profits. nra leadership is trying to protect the profits not the rights of the leadership. >> if you notice, there's overwhelming support among americans for background checks. we have them as a matter of fact. but getting back to the assault weapons ban, it's significant that joe biden did not mention that. as senator majority lead harry reid said does not support a assault weapon's ban. one of the republicans voted against renewing the assault weapon's ban. i think the democrats are understanding that it's a political dynamite for them if they push hard on it. >> they know it's not going to happen. >> exactly. >> quickly, bob, one of the things that continues to strike me, ever since towne, we have been talking about guns for several weeks and i don't know if a lot of folks appreciate the gap that exists between, i hat
so, at this point, the nra, even the nra leadership is out of step with its own leadership and out of step with the majority of americans and there was a difference, i think it's important to say, there's a dichbs between the protection of rights and the protection of profits. nra leadership is trying to protect the profits not the rights of the leadership. >> if you notice, there's overwhelming support among americans for background checks. we have them as a matter of fact. but getting...
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nra supporter. l let's talk about people in the northeast that don't understand what nra has been, what a great organization it has been through the years. how the organization has not always been the organization it became in the mid-1990s. could you explain gun owners and how they're appalled by things like this? there are polls out today we're going to be reading today, it's shifted. their extremism is destroying the them. >> many of those were members of nra who appreciated the sports organization who protected the hunters and sports rights have to be curious how and why the organization has allowed the credibility of members to be besmirched and diminished all in an effort to protect people with huge magazines, all in an effort to protect those against comprehensive background checks. the polls show people don't protect those things. >> survivalists for gun manufacturers. >> and there's no tennessean who appreciates the season's changing and go out and enjoy an afternoon as people do playing ba
nra supporter. l let's talk about people in the northeast that don't understand what nra has been, what a great organization it has been through the years. how the organization has not always been the organization it became in the mid-1990s. could you explain gun owners and how they're appalled by things like this? there are polls out today we're going to be reading today, it's shifted. their extremism is destroying the them. >> many of those were members of nra who appreciated the sports...
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the issue here also with the nra, should be behind this. apparently we need to address the vetting process that isn't in place for civilians that is in place for us in law enforcement. in other words, as a condition, i had to comply with psychological screening to get a handgun so i could work with it. the general public walks in with a driver's license and two days walk out with a handgun. it's not sufficient any longer for us to know the only thing about you is the fact that you haven't been convicted of a felony. that's just the reality check. it's part of the evolution of our culture. we need to know more -- >> when you hear this, what no one has told me yet i why anybody would need an ar-15. what do you actually need one for? >> our bill of rights isn't a bill of needs, it says bill of rights. it is our right. hundreds of thousands of. >> scotie. >> so we could have that right to own it. >> you're not answering my question. why do you need one? >> to protect myself and protect my family. right now we might like our government but you'v
the issue here also with the nra, should be behind this. apparently we need to address the vetting process that isn't in place for civilians that is in place for us in law enforcement. in other words, as a condition, i had to comply with psychological screening to get a handgun so i could work with it. the general public walks in with a driver's license and two days walk out with a handgun. it's not sufficient any longer for us to know the only thing about you is the fact that you haven't been...
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and i think the nra was concerned that a law was going to be passed that they -- opposed. so they made a law in favor of background checks. i think there was a back lash that said you never should make a tactical decision, you should stand for principles, and i think it explains his apparent flip-flopping between '99 and today. and the other thing to remember is that wayne lapierre is not the leader, per se, of the national rifle association. he leads at the behest of the board. and i think right now there is a great deal of turmoil, for reasons that krystal discussed, because of the pressure that we've seen for gun control in this country. >> let's listen to a point that dick durbin made. >> we need the fire power and the ability to protect -- ourselves from our government, from the police if they knock on our doors and we need to fight back, do you agree with that point of view? >> if you look at why the founding fathers put it there, they lived under the tyranny, and didn't want to live under tyranny. >> chief johnson, you have heard it. the belief that the nra as a sec
and i think the nra was concerned that a law was going to be passed that they -- opposed. so they made a law in favor of background checks. i think there was a back lash that said you never should make a tactical decision, you should stand for principles, and i think it explains his apparent flip-flopping between '99 and today. and the other thing to remember is that wayne lapierre is not the leader, per se, of the national rifle association. he leads at the behest of the board. and i think...